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Is the Psychedelic Revolution eating it's own Children???
Hi everyone,
FACT IS: Trance is financially not interesting for the big music industry, which puts us in the unique position of being part of a musical genre which is NOT dominated and manipulated by industry giants such as Sony/BMG, Warner Brothers and the likes... This alleged "problem" is in fact a blessing in disguise: WE ALL can shape the present and future of this scene and it's music. It's a beautiful opportunity which we should not miss!
Unfortunately our ability to deal with conflicts and problems in this scene is dangerously underdeveloped, which might sooner or later be our own undoing.
So it feels good to see that Psyport Users are actually up for a good discussion and some honest reflection, unlike many of other forums. We need to keep doing that, in
order to keep the scene and music alive if we want to progress and evolve, rather than have this movement decline into a temporary fad that will eventually eat up itself.
It might be a bit uncomfortable, but we all have to agree that not everything is fine and right in our little LaLa-Land called Psy-Trance.
Over time I am planning strike up a several discussions (with provocative titles so that people actually sit and read them;) about different topics to keep the threads a bit focused.
I will have a thing or two to suggest about music marketing, downloads and our general inability to utilize contemporary technology for marketing and selling music and other digital art. Other things to come will be about music production, psychedelic awareness and education, substance use and abuse, festival conduct and some general issues about the way we are handling problems and difficulties in our scene. I hope to motivate a lot of people to write whatever comes to mind. You don't need to give big sermons if you don't feel like.
It was nice to see that a good discussion got together over my last topic "PSY is short for PUSSY!?!? Or WHAT?" which is still going on. I hope Psyport discussions will continue in this honest and straightforward manner.
boom from Goa
Thorsten
FACT IS: Trance is financially not interesting for the big music industry, which puts us in the unique position of being part of a musical genre which is NOT dominated and manipulated by industry giants such as Sony/BMG, Warner Brothers and the likes... This alleged "problem" is in fact a blessing in disguise: WE ALL can shape the present and future of this scene and it's music. It's a beautiful opportunity which we should not miss!
Unfortunately our ability to deal with conflicts and problems in this scene is dangerously underdeveloped, which might sooner or later be our own undoing.
So it feels good to see that Psyport Users are actually up for a good discussion and some honest reflection, unlike many of other forums. We need to keep doing that, in
order to keep the scene and music alive if we want to progress and evolve, rather than have this movement decline into a temporary fad that will eventually eat up itself.
It might be a bit uncomfortable, but we all have to agree that not everything is fine and right in our little LaLa-Land called Psy-Trance.
Over time I am planning strike up a several discussions (with provocative titles so that people actually sit and read them;) about different topics to keep the threads a bit focused.
I will have a thing or two to suggest about music marketing, downloads and our general inability to utilize contemporary technology for marketing and selling music and other digital art. Other things to come will be about music production, psychedelic awareness and education, substance use and abuse, festival conduct and some general issues about the way we are handling problems and difficulties in our scene. I hope to motivate a lot of people to write whatever comes to mind. You don't need to give big sermons if you don't feel like.
It was nice to see that a good discussion got together over my last topic "PSY is short for PUSSY!?!? Or WHAT?" which is still going on. I hope Psyport discussions will continue in this honest and straightforward manner.
boom from Goa
Thorsten
Tags: awareness, commerce, drugs, evolution, future, industry, marketing, music, present, progress
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Permalink Reply by Nick Wallis on -
Psychedelic healings and meditation = Brilliant idea Elliot! Hope that in the future, you get to doing this! I think that induced psychedelic mind (ie. through the use of psychedelic drugs) can help people in SO many ways, but sometimes people need a guide, a healer, a spirit walker with them.
Also - on the issue of labels, piracy and the internet.. I think it would be incredibly archaic of the psytrance and psychedelic electronic music scene as a whole to look backwards at an obsolete way of music delivery.
What we need is something else - personally, i'm not a big believer in buying songs online either, but that's because I don't usually like the format they come in, the imperialistic ways of distribution (FUCK iTUNES!! Anyone else can't stand that scum imperialistic program? I fucking hate iPods too...).
I think something better might be to take that step forward, towards the psychedelic revolution.
Here's one idea - at a psytrance event, perhaps one tent (i'm thinking outdoor doofs here) could be set up near the stage / stages / in the central point of the event that has a comprehensive list of who's performing, and the sets they are performing - then, perhaps a better delivery system would be to sell people little USB keys (cheap as fuck these days), and you just fill it with music you like, in HIGH QUALITY formats (320 MP3, wav, flac, ogg), and you can choose from songs or artists you've heard - OR, alternatively, have a chat to someone in the know and have them suggest songs and show you songs!
I'm thinking basically a little digital laboratory, manned by volunteers from the labels, or performers themselves - so basically, the sale of the USB key could go towards the music - OR, make it a donation system - I don't like the set payment method in a place where usually, the attitudes and people are open enough to donate what they think is a good price for an item.
So, you'd have:
a) People with musical knowledge there to show you more music
b) Computers with headphones so you can listen to tracks before you buy
c) A delivery method that is REUSABLE and has a large storage capacity
d) An atmosphere where people hear songs they like and will be more likely to track them down
e) A lot of accessible information on music and artists!
The logistics would be a little interesting to work out, as you'd have to have an organiser collecting set lists and re-adjusting times of performers all the time (When do things ever run on time?! lol). BUT with dedicated people, passionate people - this could be done!
That's just one idea - I'm more than happy to chat about more - I love logistics, organisation and distribution in a community way!
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Permalink Reply by Max kieft on -
ok i love reading all this , and this is the thing i got on paper for u guy's :D
only for the positive of course..
Freaking out in time being..
time what is?
something you can set back when growing older?
Just rememember you're memories
and learn when time goes by
growing older and older
living at the edge @ the most of the time
cause the learning process on the edge goes alot faster depends of course in what kind of interrests you're in interrested in :)
getting weakness out of the weakest all grow stronger into a new kind of mammal.
the one that despise or abject, anger hate misfortune and all other kinds of behaviour that bring this world down..
only progressing when that happens and when money ain't money no more,
cause that gives the most of shitoverflow that man can get.,,
equalizing the differences between cultures and believes in what kind of god you want to believe and have faith too..cause for me the god that exists that is us and so there are many.....
The hole thing implodes!!
It's only a matter of time!!
March 2012 Mabey?
the 5th Cycle
IO
Remember you're ancestors cause they have the forbidden and forgotten wisdoms of life!
"Magic places, Healing sounds, healing/psychoactive intrance herbs'all kinds of herbs'
forbidden spells, hypno psycho active mental and social awareness tlepathisfuturetelling
fantasising of things, the things?
Just remember eveybody is some sort of genie!!!!
Plur and lots of happiness
and evolving never stops!!!
PsyMax...
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Permalink Reply by digitalFrequenz-Records on -
look at under www.myspace.com/digitalfrequenz and www.carisma-project.com
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Permalink Reply by Mama Jedi on -
this is such an excellent thread with many ideas and thoughts which are very well expressed... i read it months ago, and am still thinking about it... i have always sought out the more mystical aspect of psychedelia and believe that the psyscene is definitely a great arena for such...
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Permalink Reply by Heretic TX on -
hey there, after a long time....
.... it is great to see lots of people are very much dedicated to the "movement".
There are some very critical voices too, which bring up some very interesting issues.
The most burning ones for me are:
How much does the trance world actually have to do with spirituality, psychedelic knowledge or the advance of humanity towards a better future?
Are We actually really meaning it, or do we compensate for our feeling of guilt for having a great time?
Have we degenerated into a fashion statement for rich kids with a lack of other means to differentiate themselfs from the masses?
Does the music and drug consumptions provide merely a means for the middle and upper class youth for projecting themselfs as "freaks" (whatever the fuck this is supposed to mean) and being part of some kind of "tribe"? Our previous generations (maybe even our parents?) were hippies, punks, gothic, metallers etc.. so is it possible that our current youth are often at a loss of how to top that behaviour with something that hasn't been seen so far (maybe while still trying to offend and rebel)??? Most previous mass movements (hippies punks etc...) have been commercialized within one or two generations to the point of being completely ridiculous. In my opinion the trance movement is on it’s way down that road too lately, and a lot of the original "followers" have already abandoned the trance-trail and gone to either purer psychedelic movements or "back into the matrix"...
I can't help but notice that it is currently very fashionalble to be a "freak" (whatever that's supposed to mean), to be constantly high on grass/hash and coke, XTC, GHB, ketamin etc... (while being under the illusion these were actually "psychedelic" substances); spending daddy's money (or government unemployment benefits!) on a lavish livestyle, while thinking they are some kind of drop-outs or revolutionaries. We watch movies like "the Secret" and suddenly think we understand the complexities of synchronicity and magick and become great mystics within a 90 minutes flick... we watch "zeitgeist" and suddenly we realize everything about "government conspiracies" and the machinations of globalisation, become instant revolutionaries..... If you ask me it's the same fucking brainwash, this time from the "other side". COME ON! GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
Many people listening exclusively to trance music only... Do they think it's "underground" and mind expanding? Or is it merely the hardest and most "psychedelic" music they have encountered so far in their mind controlled past? I guess a generation that grew up on MTV and VH-1 (and other industry controlled media) is hard to blame... In my opinion, the majority of trance music is not even "psychedelic" at all, but for a lot of people it's simply the most intense sound they have encountered so far.... I don't even want to go there in this thread....,
Fe me the core of psychedelic life is about opening your mind, destroying your conditioning and (at least temporarily) removing your mental filters to see what lies beyond our tunnel vision (yes, everyone has it, unless you are enlightened...), a complete "re-install" of your mental programming with a different and less flawed operating system... if you need any analogy!!!!
Too bad most other alternative musical and philosophical genres have been taken over by commercial interest to a point were it has become impossible to take them serious any longer. Yet other real psychedelic music is only recognizable to a true opened mind (and ears) and often so abstract that it is not accessible to the broad masses... (does that make any sense to anyone...?).
When it comes to the alleged "spirituality" of the trance scene it gets even more frustrating for me..., hardly anything annoys me more than hearing people cracking wise about "karma", 2012, shiva power and other "spiritual" concepts (probably picked up from a book author or a film maker or someone else with a vested interest, or maybe even from some fellow "freak"who heard the voice of god...). It seems a lot of trancers aren't bothered to research, absorb and meditate about these concepts by themselfs. It sounds to me like meaningless nonesensical babbling. it's just parrot-like repeating a half-baked fusion of semi-understood pieces of arbitrarily assembled bits and pieces. They might make perfect sense in certain states of mind though,.....The mind has a tendency to prove whatever you want to believe, while conveniently ignoring contradicting facts, it’s only human, and BTW all religion is based on this deficiancy of the human mind.
A good example for our superficial spirituality is the ambiguous use of the word of "karma": It has nothing to do with the divine retribution for "bad" or "immoral" behaviour (by who's standards anyway). Again, you can't blame people who grew up in christian/jewish upbringing (with a revengeful patriarch god, having at you "an eye for an eye", or St. Peter weighing your good deeds against your evil ones or any other such rubbish, or "don't do to others as blah"....) for simply confusing a few facts with fiction here and there... Repetition of this convenient simplification (misinterpretation!) for many generations since the hippies does not make it true....
For me, "psychedelic lifestyle" means to try to dissolve conditioning, undo mental programming and see through manipulation and control mechanisms by parents, teachers, priests, TV, society, government or friends. It about trying to use my own brains for serious questioning of whatever I am being told and make my own conscious decisions about what to accept and what not. Even to the point of pissing off a lot of people (which i might be doing right now....) and taking a controversial stand!
This is not about being right or wrong, it is about individuality and the freedom to control my thoughts and express them the way i please!
Its not my intention to spoil the fun for anyone, nor do I care what you want to believe. I'd just like to remind everyone to be aware, figure things out by yourself, and "Kill the Buddha if you meet him on the way..."
these are just some thoughts I';ve been having lately.... don't know if any of it makes any sense to anyone.... at least I hope to put some "oil in the fire".....
think for yourself, use your own brain... nothing is true, so everything is allowed
the heretic
TX
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Permalink Reply by ribak on -
The psychedelic scene is to us as society is to the people at the other side. Without money and power society would go dry similarly the psy scene survives purely and entirely on PLUR these words are very strong and teach a lot! I say the psy scene is the antidote to the atom bomb and all that is required is belief and faith to keep it going and keep it shining. The psy scene is more real as it includes more of what is intangible and what can only be felt, after thats just what reality is... a point of view. and there are good and bad times in all situation but i thank bad times for when there is bad there is hope and surity that good's turn is about to come. The psy scene allows us to see beyond good and bad, so i think the psy revolution is the most significant event in the history of this world. I thanks the psy scene it has taught me love and peace and respect for all and equality! best wishes to all and big boom :))
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